
Kylie Minogue songs already used to train AI as tech firms âÂÂstrong-armâ Australian government, music body warns
Of the dozens of countries approached to water down their laws, Australia appears to be the only one considering it, publishersâ group says
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AI has already been trained on the works of Australian artists including Kylie Minogue and Nick Cave without compensation, the peak global body for music rights has claimed, as the Australian government has been warned against giving in to âÂÂstrong-armingâ from tech companies seeking to weaken copyright law.
The International Confederation of Music Publishers (ICMP) â which represents Sony, Warner and Universal as well as thousands of independent publishers on six continents â has warned that of the dozens of countries approached to water down copyright laws, Australia appears to be the only to consider doing so.
John Phelan, the ICMPâÂÂs managing director, told Guardian Australia AI companies were asking policymakers to âÂÂlegitimise larcenyâÂÂ.
âÂÂTheyâÂÂre trying to strong-arm Australian policymakers into âÂÂif you donâÂÂt do this, we wonâÂÂt investâÂÂ.âÂÂ
In July, Anthony Albanese said it would be âÂÂtheftâ if artists did not retain control over whether their work was used to build and train AI, and what they were paid for its use.
Music, film, media and news organisations had expressed concerns the government was being lobbied by global tech companies behind closed doors to weaken AustraliaâÂÂs copyright laws to help train AI models, without compensating the creative sectors.
But government and opposition members of a parliamentary committee on artificial intelligence appeared to revisit the issue this week, describing the current situation as a stalemate.
They said AI models were already training on copyrighted works in the United States without compensating creators â but that without changes to local copyright laws, those companies were withholding training frontier AI models in Australia.
In a joint letter to the prime minister this week, the inquiryâÂÂs Labor chair, Jo Briskey, and its deputy chair, Liberal senator Jonathon Duniam, recommended the government âÂÂexamine current copyright settingsâ while ensuring creators retain control and are paid.
The independent senator David Pocock has raised concerns that the committee was coming to a position on copyright predetermined by the prime minister, after staffer edits were seen in the letter. Briskey has rejected the claim.
AI companiesâ demands
The ICMP has been tracking how AI companies are attempting to change copyright law in different jurisdictions to allow training. Phelan highlighted methods that the companies had used to train their models on music, such as with spreadsheets containing millions of lines of music available on YouTube.
A key claim of the AI industry is that its models are not trained on Australian content due to copyright rules. However, in evidence provided exclusively to Guardian Australia, ICMP showed GoogleâÂÂs Gemini was able to reproduce lyrics from Australian artists including Kylie Minogue, G-Flip and Nick Cave.
Phelan also pointed to an AI training dataset reported by the Atlantic in June, which contains more than 12m songs pulled from YouTube videos, including tracks from Minogue, Cave and Hilltop Hoods.
Google was approached for comment.
Phelan said 62 countries had considered making their own legal changes but none of the others had bought into AI companiesâ demands.
âÂÂThere isnâÂÂt a single country among the other 61 [countries] ⦠which has introduced a new text and data mining exception for commercial purposes, or reduce the idea of exclusive rights and copyright,â Phelan said.
âÂÂThe world is very much watching what Australia does.âÂÂ
âÂÂItâÂÂs fair to say the global music industry, as well as all creative industries worldwide we work with, are appalled by the idea of a statutory scheme or a government deal which would interfere with how Australian industries work and contract around the world.âÂÂ
AnthropicâÂÂs special envoy, Jeffrey Bleich, told the AI committee last week the company was not trying to dictate terms, but had shared information with the Australian government about training and what the implications would be âÂÂwith respect to our capacity to operate hereâÂÂ.
âÂÂYou canâÂÂt license the entire internet. Billions and billions of information exists there which is available to be viewed and studied, and thatâÂÂs essentially what training is,â he said.
âÂÂUnder existing Australian law, itâÂÂs our understanding that that could be determined to be illegal if we werenâÂÂt able to find a licence with every single person who had rights within Australia.âÂÂ
OpenAIâÂÂs chief of economic policy, Adam Cohen, said the fair use exception in US law âÂÂfundamentally protectsâ the development of new technology. He pointed to agreements made with News Corp and the Guardian as examples of where the company makes deals for the use of work, despite arguing US law did not require such.
Phelan said he believed panic had set in among the AI companies over the sheer cost of investment and the need to make a return, coupled with the ongoing litigation over copyright in the US. He said they may be looking to Australia for a legislative solution.
âÂÂTheyâÂÂre seeing the legislative side as being the way to try to [find] a place to do business without licences, which will secure their future business model.âÂÂ
In a submission to the inquiry, Guardian Australia said that undermining copyright protection would have a âÂÂprofound impact on civil societyâ and copyright-protected material should only be available for AI training with the rights holderâÂÂs explicit prior authorisation.
